tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post8331322424034968230..comments2023-12-29T15:48:55.596-05:00Comments on Samurai Knitter: A not-so-short bit on copyright.Juliehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11710658334966849773noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-43233535165373566582007-09-30T08:38:00.000-05:002007-09-30T08:38:00.000-05:00I know I'm a little late on this, but what did you...I know I'm a little late on this, but what did you think about the interview with the "Old Guard" in the Fall VK?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-69666113132677264022007-09-20T09:22:00.000-05:002007-09-20T09:22:00.000-05:00Now that my head is spinning on my shoulders from ...Now that my head is spinning on my shoulders from all this information....I still agree that plagarism is a shooting offense. Protecting your creative work seems to be very difficult. If you look at Lene's (lenealve.blogspotcom) blog where she took a cardigan sweater and turned it into a tunic (very nicely), it looks like a completely different sweater. Theoretically, she could call it something else and call it her own. She chose to credit the original design that inspired her creation. That seems fair and right.Donna Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877384848664758611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-34491071562284793172007-09-19T18:02:00.000-05:002007-09-19T18:02:00.000-05:00having just spent a ridiculous amount of time in s...having just spent a ridiculous amount of time in school, generally self-plagiarism is a problem because: <BR/><BR/>a)the assignment probably had something like 'original' in the description. All of mine currently do, and if not, it is a fairly obvious and widely understood expectation. Each class includes an assumption of a particular amount of work. So much reading, so much writing. Handing in the same paper twice violates those assumptions.<BR/><BR/>If your work is based on something from a previous term (which I've totally seen done with the professor's approval), you need to be able to show that there is something significantly new about the work you did, ie. somehow you learned something new in this particular class so that the professor has reasons to believe that you deserve the grade you get.<BR/><BR/>b)having to quote yourself is not something that just students have to do, and it's frowned upon because research is generally expected to be of a higher academic standing than a student's paper. Unless you've discovered something brilliant and groundbreaking and new. Which, unless your schools have been much different than mine, doesn't really happen all that much. <BR/><BR/>Everyone gets to join in on the fun, just check any academic book's list of citations. The number one and two most commonly quoted authors will be either the author of that book (esp. if they've written more than one book/article/whatever) or the author of the source text. Forgot the author's last name? Check the bibliography.anhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10642473376382210447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-27716856567532664932007-09-19T06:27:00.000-05:002007-09-19T06:27:00.000-05:00I'd be interested to know what your views are on t...I'd be interested to know what your views are on the copyright palaver with Ms. Starmore and her former publishers...<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this though. It's really helped explain things to me. :)Ariannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03397311968445694214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-51942712452685500122007-09-18T21:50:00.000-05:002007-09-18T21:50:00.000-05:00Cat Bordhi doesn't need to credit EZ for the mobiu...Cat Bordhi doesn't need to credit EZ for the mobius scarf because the construction method is totally different. TOTALLY different. <BR/><BR/>I agree that the idea of self-plagarism is ridiculous. (I once foot-noted myself on a research paper in college, just for laughs; fortunately no one caught it.) I also think deliberate plagarism should be a shooting offense. <BR/><BR/>And congress needs to get the hell over steroids in baseball and investigate the college textbook ripoff racket that exists.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11710658334966849773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-15479828785066471782007-09-18T21:30:00.000-05:002007-09-18T21:30:00.000-05:00Wow . . . you have comment spam! Haven't seen any...Wow . . . you have comment spam! Haven't seen any of that in a while.<BR/><BR/>Generally patents are what protects physical stuff, like light-up knitting needles. I always dread reading the word "copyright" in an email list or on a forum, because those discussions just blow up like balloons.<BR/><BR/>If you want some weird reading, check out Google patents. Lots of knitting patents, and how about "Method of swinging on a swing", patent number 6368227? I swear I invented this by the time I was 5 or 6, and that's long before this patent was filed. . . <BR/><BR/>Does Cat Bordhi credit EZ's moebius scarf?Alwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03200150883889857882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-23395699472650473612007-09-18T20:07:00.000-05:002007-09-18T20:07:00.000-05:00i have a strong bias against actual plagiarism -- ...i have a strong bias against actual plagiarism -- claiming another's work as one's own. but i still find it ridiculous to punish students for "self-plagiarism." how can i steal from myself?<BR/><BR/>suppose that i write a paper on how xyz relates to abc in my freshman year, and turn it in to my xyz prof. i get an 'a.'<BR/><BR/>the next year, when i'm taking abc, i turn the paper in to the abc prof -- perhaps with some additional insights gleaned while studying the issue from the abc perspective. the abc prof then runs it through a database and busts my chops for "self-plagiarism."<BR/><BR/>i can see criticizing me for laziness unless i considerably reworked the original paper. but if i'm clever enough to write a paper as a freshman that i can update/recycle/modify later in my career, why shouldn't i? if i still think what i thought then, why write something different? i'm not being paid (unless you consider a grade payment) -- i am, in fact, paying for the professor's opinion of my words, and s/he is entitled to dump on me for poor thinking or bad spelling or laziness -- but for repeating myself?<BR/><BR/>i don't think so . . . not when profs regularly revise, say, 20 or 30 or 40 pages in a 400-page textbook, raise the price $15 and require the new edition for their classes. is THAT self-plagiarism? if so, it's richly rewarded. (ask me about my daughter's pile of textbooks the college won't buy back -- sorry-- new edition. sorry -- you highlighted in yellow except on page 37, where you used blue. )<BR/><BR/>and while frequent, significant revisions may be justifiable in a rapidly changing field such as nanobiology or neuropsychiatry, i doubt there's that much different that needs to be or even can be said about, say, "beowulf."<BR/><BR/>i suppose such recycling of my thoughts could be considered an unfair advantage over my fellow students. but having an iq 20 points higher, or a family income high enough that i don't need a part-time job also could be considered an unfair advantage. <BR/><BR/>if i have better-developed thinking/research/writing skills, i ought to be able to use them to my advantage, just as the girl who starred on her high school basketball team but isn't competing for our college will outshine me by far in gym class. or is she "self-plagiarizing" too?<BR/><BR/>(now, if i'm working for a newspaper or a chain of them and rerun old material without identifying it as such, the purchaser has a grievance: s/he is paying twice for the same thing. that was john rosemond's downfall awhile back. <BR/><BR/>your mileage may vary<BR/><BR/>ellen in indyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-19020112047972276292007-09-18T13:29:00.000-05:002007-09-18T13:29:00.000-05:00And to make things more fun, in fiction, Copyright...And to make things more fun, in fiction, Copyright is trickier...people can co-opt your stories, change a few names, and make a fortune on someone else's work...Amy Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885706951931450373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-76719382721679307752007-09-18T12:23:00.000-05:002007-09-18T12:23:00.000-05:00Great overview. I work for a publisher and copyrig...Great overview. I work for a publisher and copyright comes up all the time. EZ also does a meobius; a different technique than Cat's but same kind of idea.Netterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13328030908252998091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-86735736918970931352007-09-18T10:57:00.000-05:002007-09-18T10:57:00.000-05:00Good insight into lots of copyright issues. I do ...Good insight into lots of copyright issues. I do happen to work for a trademark and copyright lawyer. Generally, many things can be protected but you have to be not only proactive in protecting them in the first place but also in maintaining the protection. Not always and easy scenario unless you happen to be mega-corporation with mucho bucks.<BR/> <BR/>The biggest problem with the creative arts is the various mediums things can be created in. Plus, the designers themselves could have it argued against them that if they didn't want to be copied, why did they publish a pattern. Patterns are the groundwork for all copying. How many of us have picked up a pattern and it says "suggested yarns" not "you have to use these yarns, in these colorways." By design and through publication we are encouraged to copy AND be creative in making changes and adjustments. It then becomes our own. <BR/><BR/>By the way, many many years ago, I am older than dirt (some days), my Mom knit me a mobius scarf. I had started working downtown, right on the banks of Lake Erie and she kindly knit up this wonderful tube thing that I could use to keep my ears, head and neck protected. It was 1972. She made me another one in pink mohair in 1974 or 1975 when I got a new winter coat . . . how special is that! It was something that her Mom used to knit, way before Cat Bordhi was even born. Same idea, different kinds of yarn, an easy knit and perfect for those being exposed to wind chillAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17039774325929712448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21397483.post-89898135625503140462007-09-18T10:22:00.000-05:002007-09-18T10:22:00.000-05:00Wow, that was some good reading (and writing, on y...Wow, that was some good reading (and writing, on your part). Thanks!<BR/><BR/>And...while we're at it, I would really like to recommend more knitters to check out Creative Commons and their licenses. While they won't change any laws for you, they are very clear and would make it more clear for others to see what you will accept and what you won't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com